Emily Merrell  

Welcome to the sixth degree podcast, the podcast where we grill our guests about the things that make them tick and find out how human connection plays a role in their life. I’m your host, Emily Merrell.

 

Hello, and welcome back to the sixth degree with Emily Merrell, the podcast where we grill our guests about the things that make them tick, and find out how human connection plays a role in their life. I’m your host, Emily, and today I’m thrilled to have Catherine Peters, aka Cat, the coach and amazing mindset coach as our guest, Cat, welcome to the show.

 

Catherine Peters  

Thank you for having me.

 

Emily Merrell

Yay, I’m excited to have you and for today, the theme of our podcast is going to be self-care, which I think is the most fitting theme for Catholic coach.

 

Catherine Peters   

Absolutely. It’s one of my passions.

 

Emily Merrell  

Some Yeah, something you know a little bit about, which, you know, speaking of which you give you help give your clients permission for self-care. And I love the word permission, that’s sucky that we need permission to actually take care of ourselves. But can you tell us your story and what led you to helping others give themselves permission?

 

Catherine Peters  

Yeah, I’d love to, I actually love my story, because it was so transformational for me. I had been a meeting planner. For decades, I was on the hamster wheel, I had a very, very stressful job. I loved it, I traveled around the world multiple times. And it was on one of those trips in 2018, that I was just absolutely in tears, you know, I’m in this five-star resort. I’ve got a gorgeous view out my window. And all I can do is saw because I’m so flipping tired. I just worked a 16 hour day, I had another 16 hour day, the next day had to be up at 5 am. And at that point, I just didn’t know how I was going to do it. I just didn’t know. And I had been getting this message to rest, you know, people talk about that voice that they hear. I had never really heard that before. But I kept getting it like this voice outside of me. For months have been saying just rest. But I was so type A and had been on that hamster wheel for so long. I didn’t even know how to do that. And so I remember that night, I Googled how to rest. And I got millions of hits and was immediately overwhelmed, slammed, shut the laptop, and just plowed through like we all do. So many of us do this all the time, we just plow through. And then finally, four months later, I got a breast cancer diagnosis. And it kind of knocked me on my butt. And I did a lot of the research in terms of what all my risk factors were. And I had like all of them, I had, you know, poor diet, I had poor sleep habits. I had stressed out the wazoo I had all of these risk factors. And it suddenly became apparent to me that I had to learn how to rest like suddenly it was life and death. And so that really sent me on this trajectory, all of 2019 I ended up having, you know, I tried to do my job differently. It wasn’t, it just wasn’t possible. In that career that I had had for so long. It i It became apparent to me that I was never going to be able to rest in that career the way I needed to. So I pivoted, and I started learning to self-care. And I got really passionate about it. And as a coach, it’s something that I’m still passionate about because I see so many other women on the same trajectory that I was on.

 

Emily Merrell  

Wow. And your story definitely resonates. I feel like I’ve had those moments, especially working in the events world before where you’re like, This is so light for death. We need to be working our bums off, we need to be working around the clock. And then you have a true life or death experience thrown into your face with breast cancer. And you’re like, well talk about perspective and talk about like a reset of things. And you know, going back to what you said about researching how to rest what are some of the things that Google told you, and did any of them resonate with you?

 

Catherine Peters  

Like I said, so overwhelming. I so don’t recommend going that route. I just can’t. 

 

Emily Merrell  

 I can’t even imagine the stuff that comes up.

 

Catherine Peters  

Email me if you’re stuck on how to start just email me, I’ll get you started. So what I did was I expanded some of the practices that I had already been doing but not really doing consistently or devoting time to really mastering. Meditation is a huge one. Journaling is a huge one getting out in nature is really big, you know, Sondra, Dalton Smith is I’m going to plug another author here, she’s, she’s amazing. She wrote a book called sacred rest. And it talks about all the different kinds of rest. So it’s not just sleep that we need, we need creativity, and we need beauty. And we need to rest our eyes, and we need to rest our minds. And so it really depends on how you’re wired, specifically, in terms of what ideal rest looks like for you, as well as what your life looks like, you know, where are you not getting? That the kind of rest that you need? 

 

Emily Merrell  

Yeah, I think that’s, it’s a good inventory check for all of us to do in our lives and to see, so, Cat at what point did you, you know, between being up in the middle of the night or being at this five-star hotel, and then, you know, getting the breast cancer diagnosis? When did you make that decision to help other people overcome this challenge?

 

Catherine Peters

I knew that if I knew that I was interested in coaching and speaking around self-care, but I didn’t really know what that looked like. And it was really, as my meeting planning career kind of got laid out in front of me. And I started seeing, I started really paying attention to how rest and self-care were perceived in that industry. And I’m not knocking the industry, I mean, I, I had an amazing career. But there are certain, it’s not just the meeting planning industry, it’s Western culture as a whole, it’s in our medical training for God’s sake, which is just insane to me, that we were fatigued, like a badge of honor. Like it’s somehow cool, to be exhausted, or just to have so much to do to be overwhelmed. And it’s almost like bragging rights. And I started to when I had the after the breast cancer diagnosis. And after my recovery, I, I started to really be so cognizant of that. And I knew I wanted to go into coaching. And so I got my coach training. And what really called to me was serving other people. And what I realized is that people need permission, you know, and if they can’t give that if they can’t give it to themselves, and they can’t find it from their colleagues, or their friends, or their kids, or significant others, I’m there for them. You know, let me serve that role. Let me give permission to those who don’t feel like they have it, or they deserve it. So that’s, you know, it’s become kind of a calling for me.

 

Emily Merrell   

I love it. I love what you said about the badge of honor. I think you nailed American culture very, very, very accurately in that sense. That, you know, when someone asks you how your weekend was, you’re rattling off the 1000 things that you did or that you didn’t do, because you’re too busy to have done them. And I always think of John Delaney and his stand-up, and he talks about when you get older, and you get more confident in yourself. And I don’t know if you’ve seen this, but he talks about that realization when you realize you’ve done nothing. And you’re like, oh, I did nothing. This weekend. It was glorious. It was amazing. We get so excited about nothing. But on the flip side, we get so excited by being busy and by being busy so.

 

Catherine Peters  

Yeah, yeah and I think I think there’s another piece of that, which I know is true for me, and I know is true for so many women. And maybe there’s a handful out there that are farther along the evolutionary scale than I am. But I know for me and every woman I know, we measure our self-worth by our productivity and we measure our self-worth by how many checks off of the to do list we got done in a day. And I am absolutely guilty of that. And when I realized I had to do it differently, and I had to start saying no to things. It was tough. It was really hard. And part of my recovery is that I, you know, there, there were days, I didn’t feel like doing anything and I had to get okay with not doing anything or not doing as much and really unravel my self worth from that to do list are how much I had accomplished. And let me tell you, it’s a work in progress. Because as much inner work as I’ve done, and I work with my own coaches, and you know, when you go through coach training, you do a lot, a lot of self-work, as much work as I’ve done. It’s still a work in progress because I’m human. And because I’m a woman, and because I’m living in Western culture, and it’s you’re just inundated 24/7 with that messaging.

 

Emily Merrell  

I think that’s such a good point how your self-worth was linked to your activity. And I think so many of us do that as well. It’s like, how many things to do accomplish on your to do list today? And why can’t we be happy with just like one thing accomplished? I can’t brushing our teeth be an accomplishment nowadays. So I guess it depends on the stage of life that you’re at. But yeah, we have this kind of like competition, even with ourselves of just what needs to be done, which is is so daunting to hear and to see, oh, it’s really stressful. But I’m happy that you bring that up. And one of the things in terms of like productivity that you love talking about is napping, and I had the pleasure of experiencing one of your signature talks recently, and getting to nap with a gorgeous like guided visualization led by Cat before it started. And I should be told I had a 15-minute cap cap. That’s a Catnap right there. 30-minute nap before a call today. And just closing your eyes gives you so much refocus. And you know, I don’t know if you think napping and meditation are that far off. But I think there is something to it about just the stillness of walking away from your to do list. So how did you get into napping in like, how did you kind of become known as the napping lady?

 

Catherine Peters  

So sleeping on the job ad, it was real. Okay, so I had this story. And it was that I suck at napping. And I had done all of these self-care things. I’ve done stone baths and meditation and Reiki and yada yada, yada. But just taking a nap was so hard for me. I could not do it. I’m like, and so I called a good friend of mine that I went to college with. She was my sweet mate in college. And she was like a premier Napper. She was also very Taipei had a very full social calendar, and really a lot going on. But she could drop out and do a 10 to 20-minute nap. like nobody’s business. And I was in off that’s still. I’m like, come on, it can’t be that hard. Why is this so hard for me. So it really was born out of my own desire to learn how to nap myself. And it’s so you know, it’s free. It’s so simple. You can adjust the time of your nap to the time of your schedule. So if you can learn the mechanics and how to do it effectively, it’s such a great tool to have in your self care arsenal. And when I did the, my entree into really conquering the nap was the science. Again, highbay loves Google. So when I really did a deep dive into the science behind why napping was so amazing. I was sold that really helped quiet all of the productivity Gremlin that was shouting, hey, you need to do more do more. Because it turns out napping even a 15 to 20-minute nap in a day can boost your productivity in the afternoon by up to 34%. And so oddly enough, napping really spoke to the doer in me, it spoke to that part of me that wants to accomplish more that wants to take those things off of my to do list. And just was not able to I mean, because I was suffering such burnout and I was healing from breast cancer and all the things you know, I just wasn’t able to burn the candle at both ends anymore, but I still had this desire to be productive. So really Yeah, napping, napping. Fed that part of me I have to say. 

 

Emily Merrell  

Yeah love that. It’s tied to your productivity. But do you? Do you treat napping like a ritual like is it something that’s baked into your skin like people might be journaling or meditation? Or is it something that’s a little bit more haphazard or sporadic?

 

Catherine Peters    

I find that in order to do it, I have to schedule it. And so on those days, so I become kind of a proponent of kind of scheduling out my week at the beginning of the of each week, and I’m self-employed. So I have a little bit more leeway in how I create that schedule. So I schedule it, I put it on my calendar. And I and I know I never do it on Fridays, because that’s going into the weekend. But I know, Wednesdays and Thursdays, like I’m getting tired. I’m getting tired from the week. So I always make sure that I schedule nap time, Wednesdays and Thursdays.

 

Emily Merrell  

like You’re like the best kindergarten grown-up in the world, by you scheduling it.

 

Catherine 

Yeah, well, and again, I kind of, I kind of need that. And I think I think you know, I’m not alone in that we push down, we push down on the priority list, those self-care tools that we know are going to be so helpful for us, but for some reason, they always fall to the bottom of the list. So unless I really schedule it, or even better put it on my to do list, then I have a tendency just like everybody else to push it down the list.

 

Emily Merrell  

I think that’s great. I do joke that I think kindergarteners don’t realize how lucky they are with the fact that they were forced to take naps. It was a wired kindergartener who was like, No, I don’t want to nap. I’m a grown-up and every grown-up is like, let me nap, please. I would kill to have someone read me a story and give me a juice box and put me to sleep. That would be amazing. 

 

Catherine Peters  

Right.

 

Emily Merrell  

Yeah, it’s always greener on the other side. Well, so Cat, you know, talking a little bit more like through your journey and through your coaching. Now your focus is really to help your clients it sounds like to build a life that nourishes their mind, their body and their soul. And so what does that mean? And what does that look like for you?

 

Catherine Peters  

So, for me, the first thing that I do, well, not the first thing, but one of the first things I do with my clients is, is look at their values, and what’s really, really important to them. And then how much are they living that and I did that for myself. And I realized, you know, beauty is one of my highest values. And, you know, getting out and seeing the mountains and seeing a sunset going to museums and having a space that is beautiful and, and clean. And lights, lights make a big difference to me, like I can’t deal with overhead lights doesn’t bother my husband at all I need lower lights, little things like that I have learned to appreciate and to cultivate in my surroundings. So for me that nourishes my soul, you know, and then I had to figure out what nourishes my body. And then I had to figure out what nourishes my mind what kind of content and I had to quit, you know, I had to curate the content that I was putting into my sphere. So, you know, the trick is, and this is where working with a coach can be very, very helpful. The trick is, we don’t always know we don’t always know what nourishes us. We think it’s what our friend is doing or spouse is doing or that cute person on Instagram is doing. And it’s not necessarily that. So the trick is figuring out what nourishes you. And then the even bigger trick is figuring out how to make space for that in your life.

 

Emily Merrell

Yeah, it’s true. Um, do you have any advice on how to get started because you know, Cat, I to be completely honest, I struggle with like finding hobbies and being like, what does fill my cup like? I think it’s full but really what does fill fill someone’s cup? So, you know, can we go through a little coaching live live coaching audience as well.

 

Catherine Peters  

Like I can. Yeah, and so I would say there’s an old saying from a candidate maybe it was Neale Donald Walsch, it’s something when when it feels good, you’re feeling God. So whatever your whatever religion you follow or don’t, it’s really beyond that which it Is start paying attention to what makes you feel good. And we’re not necessarily talking about pleasure, although pleasure is definitely important. But what makes you feel good emotionally and mentally and physically and do more of that, but you have to start paying attention. Because what happens is that we get in overwhelmed, and we just want to do what numbs us. And it’s not the same thing. You know, I mean, watching dateline and 2020, for hours on end will certainly numb me. But you know, my husband has a horrible nickname for that stuff. It’s murder porn. Yeah, no, is this really nourishing my soul? I don’t think so. And so it’s really, really easy to confuse what numbs you with what nourishes you, unless you’re paying attention, close attention to how you feel coming out of that. So I would say, you know, the, the best tip I can give just in a podcast is, is start paying attention, maybe a journal, or just, you know, set the intention at the beginning of each day to notice to notice how you feel after certain activities. And when it feels good, do more of that. And shameless self plug, that’s so much easier said than done. You know, one of the things I talk about being a mindset coach is, it’s kind of like cleaning out your closet with blindfold on. Because we can’t see what we can’t see, it’s really hard to see ourselves. And that’s one of the gifts of coaching is that it kind of holds up a mirror for you. And you’re so it’s so much easier to see yourself clearly and to see what you’re doing that’s working. And that’s not working.

 

Emily Merrell  

Yeah, I completely agree. I think that’s why we invest in the personal development is sure we could probably do it for other people. But sometimes you just need someone to help guide you and hold you accountable along the way of your own dream. You know, in terms of other people or clients that you’ve worked with, in the past, Are there big challenges that you see people struggle with in terms of burnout or like commonalities that they face? I know, we, we addressed the idea of like burnout culture, and that we wear it as badge. But are there common themes that you’re just like, if people could just figure this out, we would have less burnout on this planet?

 

Catherine Peters

I think it can all be it. I think it is all myriad manifestations of the same core belief, which is not being worthy in some way. And there is this need to prove yourself worth, prove that you’re a valuable employee, prove that you’re a good mother, prove that you’re a great spouse, prove that you’re a good friend. And it’s all about proving yourself and I don’t think we realize how much time and effort we spend doing that. And I know for me, it was it was really interesting when I saw it was so apparent when I started working with some women who had done the mom thing and now we’re entering back into the workforce. And they’re at a completely different emotional point than I am I been there done that I proven myself I got off the hamster wheel, I was done proving myself in that way. They haven’t they’re not done with that. They’re still in that phase. And so my job then as coach is to shepherd them through that phase in a way that doesn’t destroy their health and their body and their sanity.

 

Emily Merrell

Yeah, I think that makes sense. The hamster wheel Oh, my gosh, and the proving yourself in your job. There’s so much and I think that might be just like an early 20s problem or more a lifetime problem. But especially in your early 20s. I feel like that need and desire for affirmation and validation from your boss and your colleagues and everything feels so emotional.

 

Catherine Peters  

I did it all through my 30s. And I thought it was I thought it was an early 20s problem until I started working with women from all age groups. And what I realized is that women are experiencing burnout earlier and earlier and earlier, women in their late 20s are getting autoimmune disorders from the stress that they’re under. Definitely women in their 30s are experiencing health challenges already. And then the women in their 40s who are re-entering During the workforce are, like I said, dealing with something that, you know, I, myself thankfully have already gotten out of. And I feel like a lot of women, when they get to their 50s, they’re like, been there done that I don’t, I don’t feel the need to prove myself in my career anymore. What I would like to do is prevent anybody from having to go through breast cancer to get there, or, you know, other sucky autoimmune disorders.

 

Emily Merrell  

I feel like an X course could be the next course you do, or something could be like how to be a 50-year-old woman in your 20s. Or like how to have the competence and success of a 50-year-old woman but in your 20s.

 

Catherine Peters  

Nap like you’re 50 When you’re 25. 

 

Emily Merrell  

Yeah, but also to like, you know, skip the line of, oh, you’re lucky to be here. And you know, you’re how old? Are you again? Are you worth it is Are you sure you’re worthy to be in this room? Like, I remember dealing with that in terms of my own corporate journey and just having bosses sit me down and be like, you know, you’re really lucky to be in this meeting. Thank you so much. Thank you for letting me here. I vowed never to make any of my younger team members feel that way. But if anything, feel more empowered. So hopefully, people can take their, like, terrible experiences in the corporate world, or burnout and be like you and me and empower others through it.

 

Catherine Peters  

Absolutely. And I do think that, um, in a lot of ways, things are changing. You know, I do think there’s a sea change, I think that we are seeing after 2020 As people got off the hamster wheel, they were forced off the hamster wheel. And I know that it can be very politicized in terms of people going to work or not going back to work or, but what I see is the waiter or waitress realizing how bad their feet hurt for years on end, how exhausted they work and wanting a way to do it differently. And I’m very hopeful that that people have had a taste of ways to do it differently, that we will be able to expand into over the next years instead of contracting back into hamster wheel behavior.

 

Emily Merrell  

Yeah, I hope so as well I hope that this pandemic was not for waste not for learning or not for learning experience and change. Well, Cat thank you so much for all the wisdom How can we learn more about you and get more Cat the coach in our lives.

 

Catherine Peters  

So you can follow me on Instagram @CatTheCoach it’s c-a-t-t-h-e-c-o-a-c-h or you can email me at and that’s a little longer Catherine@CPetersCoaching.com you can also go to my website, catcoach.com. And also for listeners, I have something that I made. When I was putting together my nap workshops, I noticed that most of the sleep stories that you can get from the different like calm and other apps like that they’re really for nighttime sleep, they’re usually 20 to 30 minutes long. But if you only have 15 to 20 minutes to nap, you can’t devote 20 to 30 minutes to sleep story. So I actually created like a seven-minute visualization that you can play at the beginning of your nap time. And if you would like that recording, please reach out to me and I will send it to you.

 

Emily Merrell  

Love it. What a great, great thing. And I highly recommend attending one for nap workshops if you can as well give yourself the gift of a nap. Well, Cat before we wrap up, I have six best questions for you to learn that much more about who kept the coaches, what makes her tick. So my first question for you is tell us an unknown fun fact about you.

 

Catherine Peters  

I was the romance director for the Dallas Observer. Oh, I was the voice of the Dallas Observer romance line.

 

Emily Merrell  

Oh wow. I didn’t even know they had a romance line. What does that entail? 

 

Catherine Peters  

This was this was like the 1-900 ads and the back of the paper. And so this predates this is showing how old I am. This predates online dating.

 

Emily Merrell

So people would be like, Hey, I’m looking for brunette tall girl and you’re like yes?

 

Catherine Peters  

For women seeking men press one for men seeking women press two for women seeking women and…

 

Emily Merrell  

No way that is so good. And did you have to talk like that?

 

Catherine Peters  

I did. And then I also did I planned all the events and I helped people write their ads. adds and did singles parties. And that’s how I ended up as a meeting planner. That was my entree into that.

 

Emily Merrell  

Amazing to anyone, did you have any luck in like actually matching people or getting people together?

 

Catherine Peters  

I did and then, years later I met my own husband through match.

 

Emily Merrell  

No way!

 

Catherine Peters  

I’m a firm believer in it yes.

 

Emily Merrell  

I love it from home.

 

Catherine Peters  

Call me if you need tips. I mean, you don’t obviously. Anybody else listening.

 

Emily Merrell  

So far, so good, hopefully, I love it. Um, who would be a dream person you’d want to be connected with?

 

Catherine Peters  

Um, I would have to say he has passed. But Dr. Wayne Dyer was kind of like my eye. He was almost like a spiritual father figure to me. And if there were a way I could connect with him on this plane, I would love that.

 

Emily Merrell  

Well, you’re connected to him because I’ve met him. You have I have and see I love playing the connection game live. I was in Hawaii with my mom. And she pointed him out your we were sitting in the hot tub. And she’s like, Oh, that guy is Wayne Dyer. And I never heard of him. I wasn’t at the point where I wasn’t an entrepreneur. I didn’t know what the coaching world was. I didn’t know much about like, the spirituality world even. And I was like, He’s gonna come over to this. This hot tub. He’s gonna come sit in this hot tub. Do you wanna meet him? And she’s like, what? And I literally just kept saying that. And he like, looked over and just beeline to us and sat in the hot tub.

 

Catherine Peters  

Wow. You have strong Juju.

 

Emily Merrell  

I do have strong Juju. I’ve been told I’ve got witchy powers, which I need to probably harness more. But so I said, you know, we started talking and we got Peter so sweet. And he invited us back to his condo. And so we went back to his condo, and he autographed some books for us. And then he invited us to his conference in New York. And we thought like he’d leave us tickets or something. So when we were there, we were like, trying to get into the conference or whatever he was at, like, the high we were guests room tires. And somehow we like finagle their way in and saw him live. I can’t recall if we met him again, live there. But that was a really cool experience. He was clearly a guy who was so proud of his family and like, so proud of what he had accomplished. And I was really devastated to hear of his passing. I really liked his books and his work. So you’re kind of connected.

 

Catherine Peters  

Oh my gosh, I need your listeners can’t see but like my my mouth hanging over the whole time you’re saying all that stuff.

 

Emily Merrell  

Literally, he had a he had a condo where my parents would rent like a place in Hawaii. And it was on the other side of it. But same shared pool and everything. So you know, small world and I’m unfortunately can’t say that I can connect you to him now. But the same way that I have that autographed book at home in Connecticut. So I’ll bring it out to Denver next time. I’m there. So perfect. Little switching gears a little bit. What TV show? Are you currently watching?

 

Catherine Peters  

I’m late to the game. I’m currently binge-watching Normal People and having to fan myself regularly.

 

Emily Merrell  

Really? I haven’t seen it. Is it good? 

 

Catherine Peters  

Oh yeah, it’s it’s good. 

 

Emily Merrell  

Okay oh no, no, no, the Irish one.

 

Catherine Peters  

The Irish one.

 

Emily Merrell  

Yeah. Irish one. Yes. Yes. Yes. Oh, yes. Yes. Yeah, I know. My husband calls it Irish porn, you mean that you’re trying to pass off but then I turned on Bridgerton. And he’s like, Oh, no, like, timepiece porn. Just call a spade a spade Emily.

 

Catherine Peters  

So we have Did you ever? Did you ever watch the one Outlander? 

 

Emily Merrell  

No, I didn’t. But I hear that. 

 

Catherine Peters  

My friends and I call that knee porn. Yeah, he wears kilt. Yeah, we get to see the knees. 

 

Emily Merrell  

Yeah, I’ve heard I’ve heard. I’ve heard there’s a lot of a lot of dark parts of the web dedicated to it. I love it. You know, speaking of other great things that you enjoy, are there any books that you’re currently reading?

 

Catherine Peters  

Oh, gosh, I am. Well, actually. I’m rereading Eckhart tolle’s a new earth. And then I saw this it’s gonna make me sound so spiritual uhm, which I can be. 

 

Emily Merrell  

Wayne Dyer here we go.

 

Catherine Peters  

Right, but I can also be quite uncouth. So that one and then Mitch Oh, god, it’s it’s like the five people you mean haven’t I haven’t started it yet. I saw him on Oprah again late to the game because that’s an old book, but I’ve never read it. So that’s next on the list.

 

Emily Merrell  

Oh, love it. Oh, sounds like a good one. And then what is your favorite or most used emoji?

 

Catherine Peters  

So most used emoji is probably the big wide smiley face with the tears leaking out the sides.

 

Emily Merrell  

The crying face, the crying laughing.

 

Catherine Peters  

 The crying laughing, yes. Because usually, I am trading highly inappropriate texts with my friends and husband. And yeah, it always seems to fit.

 

Emily Merrell  

I love it. Just so you know Gen Z does not approve of those, but they’re very popular for everyone that is not like 18 and younger.

 

Catherine Peters  

Well, that’s okay. Then I fit right with my age group.

 

Emily Merrell  

Same, same, same, same. I’m not cool. It is great. And then my last and final question for you is Who gave you permission or inspired you to do the thing you wanted to do with your life?

 

Catherine Peters  

I’m gonna say, I’m going to give two answers to that. But I was the person who inspired me. And ultimately, you know, I had to give my own self permission, nobody else could do it for me. And then in terms of coaching, which was not what I initially thought I would be doing, I listened to a podcast called The Life Coach School, and went, Oh, crap, like, I’m supposed to be doing this. It was just because it was just one of those kinds of out of body experiences when you see yourself at a precipice, and I knew that that was my path.

 

Emily Merrell  

Hmm. I love that. I think that’s a great answer to it all. Well, Cat, thank you so much for joining us on today’s episode of the sixth degree. And for our listeners, if you liked today’s episode, please make sure to like it, share it, write a five-star review. And Cat. We’ll see you the next. We’ll see you soon hopefully.

 

Catherine Peters  

Thanks Emily this has been awesome.

 

Emily Merrell  

Yay! And we’ll see you the next time on the sixth degree.