Emily Merrell  00:00

Hey, my name is Emily Merrell. I’m a taco loving people connector. And I’m obsessed with playing the name game and all things networking. I’m the founder of secondary society, a female focus networking community, as well as a business coach for female business owners passionate about bringing their business to the next level with the help of events, community and connections. I crave deep conversations, and I’m continuously curious to see what makes people tick. And I’m invested in uncovering their stories with some life lessons along the way. This podcast is aimed to inspire and educate as you tackle your busy day. So join the conversation and tune in for the second degree podcast. Welcome back to the second degree podcast. I’m your host, Emily. And today, I am so excited to have my friend Michelle blue. She is the host and coach of the journey with blue. And we have so much fun stuff to dive into. So Michelle, welcome to the show. Hi,

 

Michelle Blue  01:02

Emily, thanks so much for having me.

 

Emily Merrell  01:05

I wish we were doing this in person, I need to do that one day.

 

Michelle Blue  01:08

I know I feel like we we feel like we know each other in real life. But it’s definitely been like a three year virtual relationship at this point.

 

Emily Merrell  01:18

It is I think we should change our status on Facebook to like, it’s complicated, or do you remember? Do you remember when you would like update your status for every person you dated? Yes.

 

Michelle Blue  01:31

So it was it was like you’re complicated or single or taken. I probably was never really in a relationship. So I never was making any of those changes. Or I was like, scared of commitment. So I never was like making those changes for the people. I was actually talking to

 

Emily Merrell  01:48

fun story. My husband when we first started dating, we, like DTR define the relationship. And he we had met in New Orleans on a bachelorette party. And then he lived in San Francisco, I lived in New York. And we I visited him in San Francisco, and then he visited in New York. And that’s when we defined the relationship. And the it was like our first weekend that we took pictures together. He changed his profile picture to me, like right after he left. And I swear to God, Michelle, I was like, oh my god, I have to block this guy. Like what’s wrong with him? He likes me too much like ill, which is hilarious. And I think that that’s

 

Michelle Blue  02:32

a strong, it’s strong.

 

Emily Merrell  02:36

And my rational like, my New York brain was like, Oh, he likes me. This is a lot. This is too fast. I got to break up with him. And then there is this like, small little voice in my brain being like, the romantic side of your brain. Like this is all you’ve ever wanted. was like someone who adores you and loves you and changes their status and picture to you yesterday. Yes,

 

Michelle Blue  03:04

that is actually so how like crazy humans are wired is like we say we want one thing. And then when we get it, we’re completely repulsed by it.

 

Emily Merrell  03:14

Oh, he bought me flowers the first time like one of our first dates. And I was like, why are you like, why are you so obsessed with me? Why do you like me so much? Which effect

 

Michelle Blue  03:26

right? You have that? Draw that hold on people?

 

Emily Merrell  03:30

And then let me get a kid he likes him more more than me, which is fine. But um, but yeah, I just think about like, I don’t know why, oh, defining relationships? How? If you change your status, or if you came and visited me, I wouldn’t be freaked out at all.

 

Michelle Blue  03:47

Oh, that’s where we’re going.

 

Emily Merrell  03:49

Here’s where I’m going. I’m just saying like, new relationships stuff I’ve had. This is gonna sound so weird to my listeners. They’re probably like, yeah, this, this checks out. I’ve had friendships like ours, Michelle, where we’ve been online friends who have come and they’ve stayed like in my room with me in New York or on my couch in San Francisco. And we’ve only met virtually. Oh, well. I’m so heartbroken that we didn’t meet in New York. You know, we’re both living in New York at the same time. I know our paths. So anyways, before we go too far down into our world, what were you doing in New York? And what was this journey with blue that we went on? I was living

 

Michelle Blue  04:38

trying to live out the dream Emily and I’m so New York was one of those things that I had always had on my list of things that I wanted to do places that I wanted to move. And I have visited while I was like growing up and then I also had a summer internship in New York when I was in college. So I was working at at Macy’s doing product development for them in their corporate office, loved it could care less really about the internship but definitely enjoyed New York summers. And so did an internship and then I graduated from college. But immediately after I graduated, I started my business full time, and what was your business? So I started a scarf company. And we were committed to sponsoring tuition, books, supplies and uniforms for girls in Ghana to continue their education. So it has started and was inspired by a study abroad trip I had gone on the year before my internship. And so instead of taking, you know, a job, I decided, I was like, I just feel like I should, you know, go towards this dream go towards like this passion, this calling that I just couldn’t shake. And so started that full time was figuring things out, going through the failures, not having the money. So the dream of New York just kept getting delayed and delayed. And then I got to the point where I was like, I’m not getting any younger. And if I don’t do this now, then will when will I do it? I still didn’t have the money. But I knew if I didn’t go, I will regret that decision. And that is how I make kind of every leap of life. It’s like, Will I regret not doing it? And if I am thinking about my life, 1015 30 years from now, and I will always second guess what could have happened? What could I have been? What could have, you know, things that look like if I would have done it? Yeah, if I had those, like, I will have those regrets. And I’m like, I gotta move. And I gotta do it now. And

 

Emily Merrell  06:51

I like, I like that you share that app? Yes, I feel very similar. And I would call it the like, build the plane as you go as you fly approach to life. You don’t have the solution, you just know where you want to be.

 

Michelle Blue  07:07

I mean, that has completely been, that is the story of my life. I never know how it’s going to work. And I’m like, I’m going forward anyway. It’s always the craziest thing. And it turns

 

Emily Merrell  07:21

out positive. So backtracking to this scarf business you studied. Did you study abroad in Ghana?

 

Michelle Blue  07:29

I did. Yep. Study abroad for a summer there. That’s incredible.

 

Emily Merrell  07:33

So you studied abroad? And you saw this problem? And tell me how, how you came and settled on scarves? And I believe there was another person involved in this business. Yes.

 

Michelle Blue  07:45

So I went on to the study abroad trip. It was a to learn more about the culture, the textiles, and there was an entrepreneurial lens around it as well. But also, we did some outreach. And so one of the programs we went to is where we met these girls who I mean, really just had such an amazing spirit energy, like so much love. As soon as we stepped off the bus, like they greeted us in this like Song dancing circle. And we were able to connect with him and hear so much of their stories of how so many of the girls had come from, you know, the country to the city, just so that they could go to school, just so that they could provide a better life for themselves and their families and to go for their dream. Right. And, of course, in a situation like that they had to pay for their tuition, books, supplies, uniforms, all of the expenses are on top of already difficult, you know, circumstances. And I came back from the trip questioning like, what can I do? Yeah, I felt like I was like a broke college. I was definitely a college student. At the time, I didn’t feel like I could do a lot. But I realized I was like, I have so much. And so I shared these spirits with my best friend Sasha. And from there, we start putting together AI ideas of like, okay, well, you know, what products can we create? What can we do that we can sale? Because again, we don’t have a lot of money. And so like a one time donation, like, yes, that’s nice, but that doesn’t do much, right. That’s not gonna get us very far. So we’re like, Well, let’s start, you know, selling products. And from there, we can give a percentage to supporting the girls. And we went through so many ideas. At first, we wanted to do a full collection of clothes, but we’re not designers. Like we didn’t more like into the in over our heads. And so we’re like, okay, let’s like back up. Let’s scale this down. And let’s start small. Let’s start with something that we can actually manage and That is where we decided to start with scarves. And that was easier, right? We didn’t have to think about a full collection, we didn’t think I had time to think about sizes and all the things that come along with that. So we started with scarves, and I got to the point of graduation. And I didn’t go on any interviews. I didn’t go to any career fairs. And I was just so deep in prayer, when we talk about silence, and just having the time to sit with self and read and ask myself those questions of like, what do I want my life to look like? What would those regrets be? At the time, I didn’t realize this, but I, I defined like, what were the core values that I wanted to live my life by. And it’s actually so crazy. I was like, wow, like, I was making this decision at what 22 years old. And I didn’t have the, like I said, the verbiage and the terminology around it. But I defined that for myself. And I said, I wanted to live by three C’s. And I broke it down, I said, I want it to be able to create, right? So I love creating, bringing new ideas, big businesses to life, and or bringing people together whatever that looks like, but I want it to be able to create, I want it to be able to contribute, give to people give to life, give to this world in some way. Like, I knew that I wanted to make an impact. Like, okay, like I was here, I did something. And three, I want it to be in control. And I want it to be in control of my time. You know, when I could go on vacation when I could not, I didn’t want someone dictating what I could, could and couldn’t do. And I wanted to be in control of how much money I made or didn’t make. And I think that came from like, my seeing my mom in a corporate environment. And like any employee employer relationship, regardless of how good you are, there is a cap, and there is control. And that just never sat well with me as little as little you know, 10 Euro 15 year old me like, it just never sat well with me. And so those were the three C’s, I wanted to create, contribute and be in control. And that was the like kind of my Northstar, my guiding light of me making the decision to just go for it. That’s

 

Emily Merrell  12:41

I love that reflection and that understanding. Also, who were you at 21 years old, Jesus Christ, a major I was. Yeah. We weren’t serious for my

 

Michelle Blue  12:54

own good.

 

Emily Merrell  12:55

We were talking before the show how both of us were like such serious, probably teenagers. And I hate middle schoolers. And now we’re like, kids, we’ve progressed a bit, because we took ourselves so seriously. But I love that you had this confidence and that you had this knowing about yourself and this impact that you wanted to make in the world. So logistical questions, you’re 21 years old, or you’re in college, you’re starting a scarf company that has, like you’re not keeping all the profit profits you’re giving back you’re contributing? How does one start a scarf company while still in college?

 

Michelle Blue  13:35

Well, the thing is, I actually wish I would have like, fully launched the business in college, because that is the perfect place and the perfect time to do it. You have, first of all, the younger you start, the more people are that much more excited and want to help you know, like who’s gonna say no to a 20 year old, who’s trying to help other people go through school other girls go through school, nobody. So, you know, I wish I would have started younger, but I did also utilize the resources around me. Right. So I’m always like, I paid UGA. And you know, UGA, I will always happen to the resources. And so I asked, you know, professors questions, I was having meetings there. But I was trying to tap into all the resources and knowledge that was that I had already paid for. Okay. And then thirdly, things spread a lot quicker on a college campus. Right. So having that community having people around, were things that definitely would have benefited me more and actually starting the business or sooner. I’m

 

Emily Merrell  14:50

going to send this episode to all college students because I so agree with you and think that as a college student, like no One wants to say no to a college student, you’re not yet unemployed, you’re you. You’re flattering people when you’re reaching out to them, you to your point, you have resources. There’s publications that people want to feed for you when they want to get you in front of their alumni, because it makes them look good to have this budding entrepreneurs, so, okay, you’re 21 you skipped the career fair? You’re like, sorry, Macy’s, it’s not for me. It’s not you. It’s me. And your corporate parents were like, yeah, and go for it. No big deal. You You do you? Yeah. Yes. So,

 

Michelle Blue  15:38

um, you know, it didn’t go quite like that. Alright, um, I had a lot of questions, whether it was from parents, friends, family, who were like, What are you doing? Like, how are you going to make money? Like, what, what is this going to be? And I really didn’t have the answers. I had no answers for anybody. Confidence,

 

Emily Merrell  16:04

I guess,

 

Michelle Blue  16:06

delusion, right. But I did this 10 plus years ago, I didn’t even have an Instagram at the time. Alright, so this isn’t even like, oh, social media influenced me to do this. Or like, I just saw all these entrepreneurs that look like me, going forward. It was really like, I just felt like, I had to do it. And I asked myself, I’m like, What do I have to lose? I because I’m like, Okay, I say, I’m not gonna go homeless, I’m not gonna be homeless, like my mom, Virginia is not gonna let me sleep on streets. Um, and I always figure it like, if I did fail, I could go back into a corporate situation that would always be there. And so, yeah, I was like, why not. But I did have a very unique situation where I had a mother who always had a dream.

 

Emily Merrell  17:10

What was her dream, she

 

Michelle Blue  17:12

was always into business and entrepreneurship, as well, and both of my parents, but she definitely was a little bit more like, she, I know, that’s something that she wanted to get out in this life. And she allowed me to do it, she allowed me to go. And I wouldn’t have been able to do this if I didn’t have her. If I didn’t have somebody who would allow me to fly, and to get it wrong, and to get it right, and to still have space. To keep trying.

 

Emily Merrell  17:50

I think it’s so important to surround yourself with that cheerleader or with that, that sounding board who gives you the permission to bet on yourself when you’re not 100% in on your own bet. There’s like, you’ve got this, you can figure it out. You’ve got the you’ve got the no halt, no house and in network. So fast forward. I know you’re not doing the scurf company anymore. So take us through that journey. I love the journey with blue skies. Um, so take us through that journey to where you are now. What happened? Yeah, so

 

Michelle Blue  18:29

it was a journey. It was that and so I graduated, like I said, I had no clue what I was doing. I was figuring out everything. There was no blueprint to you know, what are the next steps? And so I would wake up, I always say, oh, wake up in the morning and like, go to the kitchen. Bernays headquarters, my mom’s kitchen, like figuring things out. And it’s one of those things of you just, you start with what you can you do what you can and it’s little steps and little things that keep building and compounding and so we had gotten to the point where we had actually started custom designing our own fabric so we were printing on silk. We had established me factories overseas in China. We were in selling and retailer selling online, we were named Nashville’s top black on businesses changing the world, Southern Living Beauty Awards featured in essence, like enterprise did a partnership with more Walmart and they’re Stronger Together campaign did a TED talk on how to break from the plan and let your vision guide you. And the biggest highlight of all was going back to Ghana to celebrate the graduation of the girls that we have started the business to support so we did a lot and I think you know Living in it, I didn’t realize how much we had actually done because you’re so much. You’re so into figuring it out process, you know, you feel a lot more the blows and the nose and the things that didn’t turn out. So sometimes you don’t even realize how things are still progressing and working together for your good even in the chaos. Lead, we did go to get to a point where I guess that we were manufacturing our fabric overseas. And we had worked with this specific manufacturer a couple times. But we had put in a large order. And this is supposed to be like our game changing collection. We were super excited about this. And our manufacturer ended up cheating us out of a significant amount of the fabric that we have ordered. What How did he find that out? Because we had gotten our fabric and our main factor is now like cutting and sewing it into scarves. And we had already done the the mathematics of everything Sasha, my business partner, best friend, she was a mathematics major. So we already knew that we ordered this amount of fabric, the dimensions, it will yield X amount of scarves. And when we started doing all that we realized we were significantly short. And this was around like 35 $40,000 of projected revenue for us. pieces. Oh my god. Like what does that even mean? Right, Emily? And so, um, you know, I always say this was a hard hit, obviously, financially, you know, in my mid 20s At this point, but it was even harder hits my ego. Because this business was me at this point was my identity B’nai was blue and blue was Binay. And I was so attached to the business that I was like a B’nai failed, is blue of failure.

 

Emily Merrell  22:10

Isn’t that funny? The identity wrapped up in a business. And like your whole worth is the success of this outcome of sales or people’s reception to the product or being screwed over like you personally were screwed over and everything is so highly sensitive, especially, especially at the beginning stages of business. So how did you dig yourself out of this, this, this giant hole that you’re in, it takes some time.

 

Michelle Blue  22:45

Real Time Emily. Because I had gone through this process. And at this point, I did move to New York. So I was going through so many big shifts of life. Like I had lost my business, I’m in a new city, a very difficult city trying to figure it out. And there was a point where I didn’t feel like I could stomach another leap. Like it literally made me sick to my stomach to think about starting over to starting something new to bet on myself again, you know, that confidence that I had once like, it was shot.

 

Emily Merrell  23:26

And I wonder I this is actually for the listeners out there just to reflect on your youth and like the 20 year old version of self versus where you are now and was like, are we throwing caution to the wind? Where did that inner confidence or like fear of No, there was fear feeling obviously probably wired in all of us, but you’re knocking on Walmart store and you’re you’re getting into Essence magazine, and then that one bump, large bump bump in the road can totally derail all of those feelings of like worthiness to continue on. So how do you how did you overcome it?

 

Michelle Blue  24:11

Like I said, being in New York going through this transition, this failure, whatever I wanted to define it, um, I I had to go to work on myself. And I had to go to work on myself like more than anything else. And I think New York automatically will strip you of everything that you did happen anyway. So I was very much bare bones, very much bare bones. But I had gotten to the point where I looked at life and I was like, this doesn’t work for me. Like I I was in this is probably a little intense, but I rated every area of my life at f at that point. And I didn’t know What needed to change, I just knew something had to change. And I got really deep into personal development work. I did several personal development trainings. I got really deep into a lot of spirituality texts, readings, conversations. And I just started to come back a little bit more to me and restore who I truly was, and, you know, the dreams that I had like to be reignited. And, yeah, it was a process. Your process, and I’m so glad I went through it. And I always say, I was like, that was such a difficult time in my life. And it was hard. I was like, but it was a good hurt. You know, it’s like one of those like, growing up, obviously, like, as I’m from Georgia, so like Southern Baptists, you know, they will always say, counted all joy. And that was a counted all joy, like, even in the pain, even in the figuring it out, like, devastating so many times so many moments, but it all worked for me.

 

Emily Merrell  26:17

I always like to think everyone has their dumpster fires, that’s what I like to call them. And I think those dumpster fire moments are those moments when it feels like the end of the line for you and everything you’re building are also to your point, like a moment of reemergence and regrowth and also to look around and see like who’s still on your side, or what community people stuck around and helped you go through the journey and who may have been in your court when things were high high and let the scene so it’s it’s an interesting, like, it’s an interesting way to clean house both, personally, professionally, metaphorically? Yeah, sure. You know,

 

Michelle Blue  27:06

I can say that. I still sometimes actually, I kind of go through things in my own little self contained world. I have to go through it before I can speak on it freely. So a lot of what I was going through, I don’t think it was as front facing. People didn’t know I was going through it. So I didn’t I can’t say I lost any relationships. But during that time, I did gain a really strong relationship. And as we talked about relationships, Joshua, my boyfriend, at the time, was like my strongest advocate my foundation that got me through it all.

 

Emily Merrell  27:50

Josh, if you’re listening, this one’s for you. vape. Feel like I’m like the Lila right now. Right? We’re gonna, we’re gonna bring in Iris. And the next sets

 

Michelle Blue  28:06

are ridiculous. Because we know at this point, and who is certain people, you cannot tell your story without including them.

 

Emily Merrell  28:15

And I think that’s fair. And then it’s doesn’t matter if the person’s not as significant to you now, I think if they got you through a hump, that’s, that’s incredible. So that shout out still real Joshua. Okay, so blue. Now you are back on top. You are this incredible hosts

 

Michelle Blue  28:38

that were saying,

 

Emily Merrell  28:40

Yeah, you’re back on top. Again. I love the podcast how I built this because you don’t have the low lows, then I don’t want to necessarily hear your story. It’s not as fun. You need them. So you, you have this, you have this talk show now, journey with blue. How did you become your coach, you have a talk show. You’ve done incredible partnerships with a very big name brands. What does it feel like now not to be contributing on behalf of another like society or organization but you’re contributing as Michelle blue out into the world?

 

Michelle Blue  29:22

Yes, you know, that is very, a very good question, because this is actually more vulnerable than my first leap. Because I did have a business and a product and things to kind of hide about this hide behind. This is like me to the world. I share so much of my story of my lessons, my sacrifices, my failures. So yeah, so much more transparent and vulnerable. It is scary is still Gary is still very scary, but, um, you know, a kind of goes, it goes back to my, my three

 

Emily Merrell  30:08

C’s.

 

Michelle Blue  30:10

My, you know, filling my, my need to are my purpose is connected to contribute to others. And it has looked different over the years. And I always look like a scarf company, it’s looked like a talk show and speaking and coaching and consulting. But my purpose my journey is meant to be applied to others along the way, so that they could do it even more powerfully than I’ve been able to do it. Right, um,

 

Emily Merrell  30:45

how can people actually consume blue? How can they get to be a part of this journey with you?

 

Michelle Blue  30:53

So I have the show, which is on YouTube, the journey with blue, I have a new series where I am actually sharing a lot more my Nuggets of my stories, my overcoming my you know, lessons of what I’ve been able to create an overcome on the YouTube channel as well. So that’s really exciting, scary, I should have done it seven years ago knew I should have but I just wasn’t in that place to do it. And also following on Instagram as well at the Michelle blue, the old world of things you can get unglue

 

Emily Merrell  31:31

with blue. Her journey with blue? Do you not just hang out in like puns all the time? I had a last name like you I think, oh, gosh, it would be dangerous. Well,

 

Michelle Blue  31:45

yes, it is. The journey with blue. My coaching program is take the leap with blue. We’re like I give you the blueprint to how do you do you know like it is everywhere. Let’s have a blue Year Happy blue year, you know, things up. And I’m like, I’m taking it all, like whatever you want to say give it to me because I typically we’re on with it. That’s amazing.

 

Emily Merrell  32:08

Before this show, I introduced her to Blue eciu with a cartoon dog. So she has a whole new world of blue ticks. Blue’s Clues of a whole bunch is never ending. It’s one of those names, I’m sure that you get gifted a lot of blue things or like anything that’s,

 

Michelle Blue  32:28

you know, the name has given me the brand, like I was, it was just meant to be

 

Emily Merrell  32:34

it really. And if you look at our website, y’all, it’s all blue too. So it’s, it makes sense. It all fits together. And I’m so glad that you have a TV show because you have the presence for an interview series and highly recommend listeners dive in. Because she is just as you can tell, just by the way that you speak Michelle, like you have such a I want to lean in and and absorb every word that you say.

 

Michelle Blue  33:05

Thank you. And we appreciate that. And, you know, I pray that what I do say is valuable to other people, you know them saying something in love something light, something that will take you on this journey that you can take on this journey with you. So thank you, I appreciate that. You’re always given me a platform you’re always given me a

 

Emily Merrell  33:26

week. So a you know, sometimes as with platforms also need platforms. Well, Michelle, so we know that people are gonna connect with you on YouTube and hang out with you on Instagram. I’ve got some six fast questions for you. I know. I didn’t even prep her for this, y’all. Yeah, the beauty of impromptu conversation. So my first question is, tell us an unknown fun fact about Michelle. Hmm, I

 

Michelle Blue  34:00

think when we talk about like having a confidence and adventure like I do this in every area of my life, so whether it’s like skydiving at 18,000 feet, wow. Yes. trespassing in Puerto Rico. Where do we go from Puerto Rico like going down these amazing slides? Like I’m down for that Vinter always like sign me up. I’m your girl.

 

Emily Merrell  34:25

I love that so she’s a Yes friend. That’s good to know. Okay, okay good. I’m I always love I love the friend that can you have this crazy big idea that you want to do? And they’re like, Yeah, let’s do it. Let’s figure it out. And let’s get on the slides or jump out of the plane or pierce that year or whatever it is. All the thing all have it. Who would be a dream person to be connected with?

 

Michelle Blue  34:54

Hmm No, I felt like I get this question kind of often. or like, who would you want to have dinner with? And I never have a person to say,

 

Emily Merrell  35:06

I always struggle with it too. That’s why I always love hearing other people.

 

Michelle Blue  35:12

One of my dream people I would like to have an interview with is Elaine Walter off. She has a book called more than enough. She also was the to the editor of Teen Vogue. You know, her big cry.

 

Emily Merrell  35:29

Yeah, sounds familiar. So I love that she hasn’t been mentioned before.

 

Michelle Blue  35:36

Her story and her energy as well.

 

Emily Merrell  35:38

Your homework after this call is to DM her on Instagram and extended invite down with blue. Emily is happening. It’s happening. And we’re gonna we’ll follow up on this in the show notes. We have enough time for when this comes up. Okay. And then what? And we talked about this earlier about TV shows. But What show are you currently watching?

 

Michelle Blue  36:07

Oh, okay, watch on my watching. I was trying to get into bear. Oh, you couldn’t get into it. And I was like, Maybe I’m doing something wrong. Maybe I’m like doing other things while trying to watch it. So that’s like a kind of like, I’m figuring it out. But I did complete Gilded Age season one and two, like, in a week. It was really good. The

 

Emily Merrell  36:31

Bear’s very stressful show. I feel like it’s one of those shows where you’re kind of you’re like, anxious, the whole entire time that something is gonna happen. And that’s just the whole tone of the show. It does not change.

 

Michelle Blue  36:47

But I love the actor the lead. I can’t remember the name. But I love him from shameless. Because shameless was such a chaotic. Yeah, well,

 

Emily Merrell  36:58

and if you want a little treat, check out the Calvin Klein ad he did recently, just an afterthought makes me want to buy underwear. What books do you recommend people read business or pleasure?

 

Michelle Blue  37:17

I really want to my go to books is a return to love by Marianne Williamson. And she’s also on my list of people I want to sit down and talk to. But when I was in New York, and going through that spiral of a time, that book really just kind of really just spoke to me and you know, really, really brought me back to life in so many ways. So that is one of my top books.

 

Emily Merrell  37:46

Okay, return to love. I love it. What is your favorite or most used emoji?

 

Michelle Blue  37:54

Blue heart. You know, as my sign off blue.

 

Emily Merrell  37:59

Of course I love it. Look at the personal branding. And then my final question for you is what permission Do you want to give our listeners today?

 

Michelle Blue  38:12

Just a permission to go. What are we waiting for? Yeah, you have everything that you need. It’s just time for you to take that leap to send that email to send that DM like Emily just caught me out to do you know, what are we waiting for? Yeah.

 

Emily Merrell  38:32

What are we waiting for? I love it. So after this, y’all have homework to do something kind of scary. Kind of on your to do list, but you keep not doing it. So I love that permission. Michelle, I love your journey. And thank you so much for being here on today’s show. Yes, thank

 

Michelle Blue  38:52

you Emily. Thanks for having me. This was great. So much

 

Emily Merrell  38:56

fun interviewing the interviewee, and listeners please make sure to share this episode with friends like this comment and we will see you the next time on the second degree. Emily Merrell Have a wonderful day everyone.