Emily Merrell  00:00

Hey, my name is Emily Merrell. I’m a taco loving people connector. And I’m obsessed with playing the name game and all things networking. I’m the founder of secondary society, a female focus networking community, as well as a business coach for female business owners passionate about bringing their business to the next level with the help of the fence, community and connections. I crave deep conversations and I’m continuously curious to see what makes people tick. And I’m invested in uncovering their stories with some life lessons along the way. This podcast is aimed to inspire and educate as you tackle your busy day to join the conversation and tune in for the second degree podcast. I’m your host Emily Merrell. And today I am so thrilled and excited to have my friend Cara Kaufman. She is a singer and songwriter and incredibly talented children’s musician singing dyno ditties. And I am so excited to have her on today’s show. Welcome to the show, Kara.

 

Kara Kaufman  01:02

Thank you. I’m so glad to be here, Emily, thanks for having me.

 

Emily Merrell  01:06

I feel like we have been on a we’ve met in person, thank God. But the I feel like we’ve been parallel to each other’s journeys for not not the singing part, but journeys in terms of things for the last few years. And I would just want to share with the audience I met, I had the pleasure of meeting Cara through a program called self made where I’m the head coach. And I was found out I was pregnant and she’s like, I’m pregnant. I think we had our sons within like, days of each other essentially. So it’s been really inspiring. Watching you parents.

 

Kara Kaufman  01:44

I know. It’s so cool. And we’re both Geminis so I don’t know, we’re just very linked. We’re very good.

 

Emily Merrell  01:52

And, and, and and hear out tell us where you live.

 

Kara Kaufman  01:58

So I currently live in Amherstburg, Ontario, Canada, so southwestern Ontario in Canada, which is very close to where

 

Emily Merrell  02:09

I was gonna say your husband was gonna say Windsor, why aren’t you closer to Windsor? Yeah, yeah.

 

Kara Kaufman  02:14

So yeah, the town’s Bamas Burg is like right next to Windsor. Yeah, yeah,

 

Emily Merrell  02:19

that was my gateway Canada. And which I hear is like, that particular town is a little questionable for the Canadians, in terms of it all. Like, it’s a little bit loose and wild. So when I told my husband that I had been to Canada, and he was like, Oh, cool. Where and I told him Windsor. He was a little disappointed.

 

Kara Kaufman  02:45

For sure. For sure. I know. It’s like the city that you just wish it could just really like get up over the hill. You know, like, I think I can, but I thought there Yeah, it was great.

 

Emily Merrell  02:55

Yeah. But But I do think that’s crazy. So anyways, just you guys know, I love a small connection. So she lived in the same hometown. My husband lived in and it’s a very musical and theatrical town. So yeah, they have mutual friends. Such a small world.

 

Kara Kaufman  03:11

Yes, I know. Love it. I love it. Really crazy.

 

Emily Merrell  03:14

So Kara, we’re gonna talk a little bit about you. There might be singing involved in today’s episode. I don’t know. I don’t even know guys. I fly by the seat of my pants with my questions. So who knows what’s gonna happen? So Kara, first and foremost. Tell us about you. How did you get into the music world?

 

Kara Kaufman  03:35

Yeah, so I’ve been playing piano and singing since I was very little girl. My Uncle Ron is very musical. He’s a musician. And he worked in the music business for many years, and my mom is incredibly talented on the piano as well. So I grew up with this music around me and people who I loved always playing piano. And my dad’s always been into listening to music. He dabbled with the guitar a little bit when he was younger. But so there’s always been music around lots of records, lots of different, you know, tapes in our old Mercedes, like just being exposed to a lot. So I loved singing and writing songs with a little girl. I took piano lessons. And then I played like the saxophone in high school and elementary school. And so music was just always a really big part of everything that I did and everything that I love. And then it wasn’t until the end of high school, I would say I started really getting into writing my own songs with the piano and you know, just like loved it and then started to record music and then it just kind of grew from there. And then I started to tour around a little bit and you know, southwestern Ontario in this area. Um, and I would say throughout my 20s That was like, you know, on and off like a little bit with music and recording but then I met my husband who is from Cleveland, and when we moved there It just kind of like took off again, I started playing a lot of shows and Cleveland area, which was a really great city to be a musician in. Um, and then I had a baby. And things took a they took a bit of a hiatus, they took a pause, I had so many shows booked, like weeks after he was born, I thought, Oh, I’m just gonna jump right back into it. Little did I know how exhausted I would be. So, you know, I ended up taking a break. And I would still write and kind of record at home, but the shows live up. And then I had another baby, and then another baby, and then another baby.

 

Emily Merrell  05:42

And for guys, I’m gonna stop for

 

Kara Kaufman  05:46

you. Right, right. Four little guys. And I always wanted to get back into music. I mean, it never really fully stopped. Of course, it’s always been there, that passion, but like writing, recording and playing live had had pretty much come to a stop. And when I got back into it, the next thing that made the most sense was children’s music. It was just like, everything that I’m surrounded by is children’s stuff, and children themselves. And so it was like the perfect fit. So I like that you

 

Emily Merrell  06:15

were able to take your passion and you were able to reimagine it. But in a in a, again, an auditorium or an audience that really appreciates what you’re what you’re selling. So when you graduated high school, and you were like, I’m going to be a musician, what did success in music look like? Or mean to you at that point?

 

Kara Kaufman  06:38

It’s such an important question, because this is probably why music fell off for a while is because I imagined success, like, you are on the Top Billboard charts, you are winning awards. You like everyone wants to buy your album, everybody is lifting you up? Well, that’s not real, right? Like, I mean, it’s real. A very few like people, but there’s also a living to be made in music that looks a whole lot different. And there are so many different ways that it can be. And I think I just felt like, if I’m not making it there, then I’m not making it anywhere. And it’s like, I just I feel like in my 20s If I had like mentor who had said like, just go a little bit further, you got this, you know, like, yes, it’s really hard worker, yes, you’re gonna play shows like, I would play shows where there’d be a ton of people there. And then I play shows where there’d be like two people there. You know what I think those moments make you feel like, I don’t have this. But the secret is everybody goes through that. Right? And like, and in so many businesses, right, and the arts and in any, you know, type of entrepreneurship, we all have those moments where we feel really successful. And then we feel really alone and like maybe this isn’t working? Well, when you have that push. And that support, it helps to kind of keep going through that, well, I don’t know, I let it go in my 20s because I just wasn’t what I thought it was supposed to be. Now where I’m at, I’m like, Oh, I’m like loving this, where that and you know, success looks a little bit different. You know, like, Sure, of course, I’d love to sell many albums, and be streamed many millions of times. But it doesn’t have to be that for me to feel successful. And for me to keep going with what I’m doing now.

 

Emily Merrell  08:21

We love that you said that ensured that that point of view and that perspective change. I think that’s a very 20s personality trait that like we have to be on Forbes or on a billboard or we need someone else to recognize our success before we recognize success in ourselves. And now it’s coming internally versus that external validation that we so crave craved, we still crave it, but crave that much more in our 20s. And, you know, I what I love about asking questions of people is just the road that you chose doesn’t necessarily mean that that has to be your forever road. And I love that you also give permission to take time off. And to nurture this part of you of being a mom. And like really lean into that side of things. So as you’ve gone through your both your music career and your motherhood journey, have there been other ways that you’ve found inspiration or found work that has supplemented that creative need without necessarily veering off track too far?

 

Kara Kaufman  09:33

Well, I think um, so in terms of what about like other work that I do, currently, like from home that’s like in line with music. Yeah. So I’m actually doing, I write custom jingles for businesses. So I started to do that recently as well, which is like so fun. And then I’ve just started writing custom lullabies as well, for families too. So very get excited about. Yeah, yeah. So and like lullabies? Yeah. Or like a little song, you know, for like a little person in your life. Um, and that to me is just like, something easy. And, you know, so fun for me to do. I love it. Right right up my alley. So.

 

Emily Merrell  10:20

So you’re writing these lullabies, you’re writing these jingles. I think that is so cool. And I feel like there’s been this influx of Instagram ads, basically, of like, these personalized songs. And recently, my sister got engaged, and they’re gonna take dance lessons. And I asked her, it’s like, what’s your song gonna be? caveat, they got engaged really fast to like a short, short meeting and engagement. And then like, we actually don’t have a song. So I think we’re gonna hire someone to write a song that is uniquely our own. And I thought that was such an interesting way to like approach, a first dance or creating a song. Rather than finding a song that is mutually agreed upon by both people, you can enlist the help of someone to help craft that song to make it yours.

 

Kara Kaufman  11:12

Yeah, it’s such a beautiful thing. And the first custom song that I ever wrote was for my mom, my dad’s really great at writing poetry. And he’d written this poem for her. And so I turned it into a song. And that was back when I was like, 2122, like, years ago. And I remember thinking that, Oh, my goodness, I want to do this, I want to write, you know, custom songs for people. But it’s really interesting that many years ago, like it was just different, like, we didn’t have the social media that we have nowadays. And like, you know, like, how do you pass that word around? Whereas nowadays, you’re right, it’s becoming much more popular. I mean, there are even apps for people to hire someone to do their own personal phone. But yeah, it’s such a cool thing. And I just like to have something whether it’s a love song, or a little lullaby that a kid falls asleep to every night that is like all about them. Right? It just, I don’t know, music hits us so hard anyway, right? It touches us in so many different ways. And then to have something that is specifically for you that you really, you know, relate to, and it means that so much to you. I love it. I just think it’s really cool.

 

Emily Merrell  12:15

I know what I’m getting my family for Christmas this year. So thank you, thank you for the plug in that one. So Kara, also are big in the dinosaur community. And I love that you’ve written dinosaur disease. So tell me a bit more about what inspired writing about dinos? And also, how did you become such a dyno expert? All of a sudden? Yeah,

 

Kara Kaufman  12:41

yeah. Well, thank you to my four little boys are endlessly fascinated with these prehistoric creatures. So, you know, I just feel like my it was like, my eldest was like, so in love with dinosaurs. And then it just went from there. So I think it’s really common, you know, for, for little kids to just be fascinated with these animals. And they would ask questions all the time. And we have a million dinosaur books in our home that we’ve read. But what really prompted the dinosaur songs was that they were looking for songs asking Alexa one day, like over and over again. Oh, can you play like a T Rex song? Can you play a triceratops song? And I was really surprised that there aren’t too many dinosaur songs out there. And at that, not too many songs that they wanted to listen to or that I wanted to listen to. And I thought to myself, hey, I can do this. Why don’t I just write them some songs, you know, like, we can put a bunch of facts in there and make them really fun. And I started writing them and I just thought, hey, like, I’m actually enjoying these songs. I’m enjoying the best. My kids are a part of it. They’re helping me they’re like, we’ve got to write about like the Moses Soros or whatever, right? And then they tell me everything they know. And then I go on, I research it further. It’s just like, again, back to that whole, like, how do I get back into music? But how does it fit into my life right now? Like this fits into my life so easily. I don’t even have to think twice about it. It’s just so fun to sit down and write these songs. And the subject matter. Like I said, it’s like, all around me, like my kids are all right. So I know so much about it.

 

Emily Merrell  14:19

You’re getting influenced by you have audience members, like please, please sing that song.

 

Kara Kaufman  14:26

So yeah,

 

Emily Merrell  14:27

I’ve always I’m always curious about this, and I don’t know, like candidly with musicians if it’s the same as like a comedian, I feel like a comedian. always feels like people expect them to be funny. They expect them to like always have one liners or jokes or have a certain personality. Are there certain expectations that you’ve felt society or your, your outer circle expects of you with as a singer songwriter?

 

Kara Kaufman  14:58

Huh? That’s really interesting. Okay, so actually like nowadays, I’m up for anything but back to my 20s. Those years, they’re just so complicated, aren’t they? What people would expect me to do? Like, just, can you just sit down and play for us? Or can you play this song? Or can you play that song I used to get so like, a little, like, overwhelmed, because I, I had absolutely no competence and what I was doing, like, I loved what I was doing, but I know competence, I felt like I had to really, really practice and I would get so nervous before I played, but you know, and then I’d go play for three hours, that’d be fine. But it was really like intense. And so yes, I would say that when people just thought I, I would be fine to just like, play off the cuff or like, oh, this would really get me. When other musicians wanted to collaborate with me. I get so nervous. And I turned down so many good opportunities, like I, oh, my goodness, I think I got it now. I’m like, turn it like, that would have been really cool. But like, I just really felt like, oh, they have no idea of who they’re asking, like, I don’t know what I’m doing. They should go ask someone else. And it’s like, now my age. I’m like, we were asking you for a reason. Like, they heard your music, like they saw you. That’s why they wanted to work with you. But I just like I said, the confidence just wasn’t there.

 

Emily Merrell  16:12

And so, you know, now Hindsight is of course, this 2020 It’s something that we wish we could ever we should have or we would have or all of the all of the things. What advice do you have for someone who wants to pursue a creative career? And is just starting out someone who’s just like you were at 21 years? What you were 18? Right. When you started? You weren’t? Did you go to college? For it two or

 

Kara Kaufman  16:39

three? Um, well, yeah, when I was in university, I took a creative writing English and creative writing. So like, that’s where like, the lyrics were, like, worked on and honed in, but like, I didn’t do a music degree, but I still played. But yeah, you know, 13 that thrown at me. And I just, I think about this a lot. And I think if I could speak to my late teens self, or early 20s, self, or you know, someone else in those years, first of all, still to this day, you’re probably not going to get a lot of support from your elders. Because they’re worried about you. But know that, like, if you are passionate about something like that, passionate about it, like you will fall somewhere under the umbrella of the thing. So if it’s like art, like yeah, maybe you won’t be like, you know, a painter who just makes a living off their paintings, like, that doesn’t always happen. But you may fall into another job and a career that is under that, you know, you know, art umbrella, and for me, like I could have i Oh, my goodness, like, I could have gotten into like, songwriting, or I could have gone into, like, you know, there’s so many options that I could have done, but I just like shut it down, because I only saw like, one way, and if it wasn’t gonna make a lot of money, then I probably wasn’t gonna make any money at all anywhere. So I truly believe like, just do it and like, go for it and like you are doing a great job like, you are, you know, and it’s, it’s interesting, like, I wish I could say to myself, my 20 year old self, you sound so good, you’re doing so great. And to know that, I think the other main thing is everyone struggles of take everyone a long time, even the people who we see who are very successful, they’ve gone through so much to get there. And that’s why I know you mentioned self made when we first opened this episode here. I mean, what an incredible community and what an incredible program that has been. And what has struck me so much. And it’s been really instrumental for me. And my progress is to see when we’re talking to someone who’s very successful. I love when they tell us how many years and how many setbacks they went through how many years it took, how many setbacks they went through how many obstacles they overcame. And it’s really important to know that it doesn’t just like happen, right? It’s not magical. Yeah. And we have no

 

Emily Merrell  19:02

one. There’s no such thing as an overnight success. Yet we see the success and we expect that it had been overnight. And I so echo what you said about like the adjacent success to or it’s like you’re passionate about singing, but you know, maybe you shut down the idea of songwriting even though the opportunity presented yourself. So there is that element of still being in what you love, but pursuing it in different careers. Again, I’m bringing up my husband maybe because we’re speaking Canadian today, but he went to art school for illustration. And he’s a UX designer now. And I think that’s an interesting like transition of, you know, loving art and loving and appreciating being creative, but doing it in a way that that works for the lifestyle and career he

 

Kara Kaufman  19:55

wants. Exactly right. Exactly. The Yes, yes. Morphine,

 

Emily Merrell  20:02

morphine it accordingly. So I love tactical stories, too. So you had mentioned social media and like, we have this free platform to advertise and your songs or are streamed on Spotify and wherever you get your streaming songs at plug there. What did you do? Like, let’s go back pre social media. How did you advertise yourself?

 

Kara Kaufman  20:34

Did you say pre social media have free social media?

 

Emily Merrell  20:37

I mean, I know there was always Facebook in your career, but like, what did you do? Oh, my goodness.

 

Kara Kaufman  20:46

Okay, so here are the things do like, I also had, like, there was MySpace around like, you know, around my time when I doing music and my 20s. And I just, I don’t know something about me and the internet, like, I just didn’t find any of the social platforms that were even around like then. And I just didn’t really want to like, share, and I shouldn’t get into it. So I didn’t even like tap into that. Honestly, like, posters. It’s so funny to think about, like, making posters, and like plastering them and emailing people and going to bars and restaurants and like handing them like a demo CD and being like, here, did you want to listen to this. It’s so different now. And it’s so much easier. I mean, it’s so much easier now.

 

Emily Merrell  21:31

Oh, my goodness. So I think that’s important to share, though that you were you were physically going door to door to places, you were tactically lean people. And yet, for those that are entrepreneurial, or entrepreneurially, curious, like, just give yourself a moment to thank the lucky stars that we have the platforms that we have. And we have the websites that make them easy to be beautiful. And you don’t have to, you can pound the pavement, but you can do it from the comfort of your couch if you want to.

 

Kara Kaufman  22:04

Oh, so true. I was just looking at my I have my first album, framed up friends friends framed it for me, like, you know, a year after it was released, which was really nice. The friend actually who recorded it with my sound engineer at the time, and him and his wife. And it was the coolest gift. And I was just looking at it cuz I’m just I was just moving it and hanging it somewhere new today. And I was looking at the cover of the album. And I was like, oh my goodness, like my friend Liz, who you know, actually gifted this framed album thing to me. She’s the one who designed it, like she had enough, like, know how to like, do website stuff. And to do some like design. This is years ago, like I had no clue. So she designed this booklet for me and I was able to like, you know, get something handed into disc makers. Nowadays, it’s like, go on Canva I mean, even even Are you going to print a CD is also like a whole other question. But really now like, go on Canva get your album artwork, pop it on your website, done five minutes, like five minutes, it takes me now and I’m like, Thank Your Lucky Stars that lives knew what she was doing. Because I don’t know what I would have had for album artwork. And so it’s amazing how, you know, technology has changed access for a lot of people to be able to self promote, and to self you know, publish or self released like whatever, you know, art or business you’re in. There’s really a lot of opportunity out there. into that same vein,

 

Emily Merrell  23:38

there’s a lot more autonomy to have, like, you don’t have to be just submitting your demos to too big record labels. You can go viral on YouTube, or you can go viral on Tiktok I always think about that girl Jack’s on on tick tock one who say things about Victoria’s Secret. I don’t know if like legitimate or if it’s fake, but she was like babysitting and then sing a song and then that song went viral and now it’s on the radio and it just it’s a different avenue than what it was in the days when you’re like putting things into the mail and you’re hoping that the right person in the right mood to open your your demo tape.

 

Kara Kaufman  24:21

I’ll tell you I think about that all the time. I’m like wow, like now you can just like put yourself out there like it was really interesting a few years ago, I was listening to a podcast I think it was like a disc makers like podcast I’m trying to think of like this makers like releases. Maybe it was CD Baby. They’re also later like a distribution company. Also didn’t one of the podcasts they were talking about like albums from like years ago that’ll like make a comeback because like it’s streaming So it literally doesn’t matter because it’s not somebody else now deciding like a record label or a radio station, deciding this timeline. Oh, this is a new release. Now it matters. Like okay, I don’t watch that show. stranger isn’t Stranger Things like it’s on my list. I just never get around to TV. Okay, so Kate Bush is this like musician from like 70s 80s. And like I love Kate Bush my older cousin introduced me to her like years ago when I was super young with the indicate vote and love her music. And it was so cool like her one of her songs got picked up by Stranger Things and just like blew up and everybody was like listening to Kate Bush. And I’m like, like, that is amazing. So I even have hope from like, my first album that I ever released. It’s like that could totally get picked up like someone could just put it on a playlist and then it starts streaming and I think that’s really cool. See right autonomy agency like you can move around in this art world like so much easier you exactly don’t have to answer to what a label wants or what someone else’s ideal image is. And you know, that still gets created sometimes and that’s fine. Like you said people love the real the raw, and something that they have been a part of like creating and growing right as in like an audience member finding someone on Tik Tok, right. It’s very cool.

 

Emily Merrell  26:05

It is super cool. I feel like Justin Bieber was kind of like the OG going back to your home, you know, one of the places you’ve lived, he’s from Stratford, Ontario, folks, if you’re like, I don’t know where that is. But and but yeah, he was he was discovered on YouTube. And I heard that he used to Bosque, which I didn’t know what that word meant, either. But he basically would play the drums or even play music and restores, and, you know, have a cup out for money and stuff like that. And it also there’s that perception of, of the right audience the right venue. Like I feel like, I think it was Joshua Bell, or Mote yo, yo Ma, someone really incredible, who was performing in Grand Central and people like walked right by him, but you know, and didn’t care. But in the Carnegie Hall, he is sold.

 

Kara Kaufman  26:57

So now it’s important, right? Exactly. Right. Yeah. So true. Time and Place, and I love what you’re saying. They Yes, exactly. Exactly. And I’m so sorry, cutting over there. But exactly. And you know, what’s really fun about Justin Bieber is busking. in Stratford, I used to Bosque and Stratford and what I love about that town, I don’t know if they still do it, but at the time, they paid your they paid you to busk on the streets. And then of course, people could put money in your tip jar, but you felt like you were supposed to be there. Because I mean, you literally were You were like hired to go busking on the streets, and I loved it so much. It was like the best job I love. And I believe he’s such a cool town. That’s

 

Emily Merrell  27:38

crazy. Now you see someone like singing on the streets, and you’re like, Oh, now they’re homeless? Or, like, I don’t know, perception of it. That’s cool. That’s cool. Okay to do that. So, if paid to do that, Kara, what’s the best way our listeners can support you to consume and listen to dyno ditties or book a jingle or a lullaby? How did we do that? It’s

 

Kara Kaufman  28:05

a great question. And thank you for asking that. So to purchase any of my albums, and if you were to purchase them right off of my website. Now what that does is it puts it onto your computer, and let’s say, you know, Dropbox or somewhere where you’d or you know, put it in your iTunes library. So it does depend on how you consume music. And I know that’s not that’s not always the most common way. But if you were to purchase it there, I get 100% of the profits. Each EP is $4.99. You can purchase it from iTunes, as well, they take a very small cut, you can just purchase that right from iTunes. And you can stream on Spotify and create playlists and follow me. So if you go on Spotify, and you add me as like an artist that you’re following, those numbers matter. And I will have merch coming out soon, which is really exciting and fun to think about. So keep an eye out for that. And if you’re interested in a custom song, please reach out because that is another way of supporting my music.

 

Emily Merrell  29:10

And there’s the best way to reach out on Instagram at Kara Kaufman music.

 

Kara Kaufman  29:15

Yeah, you can. You can definitely reach reach me Cara Kaufman music on Instagram and I also have an intake form for the custom songs on my website. So if you go to cara kaufman.com There is a link up at the top for custom songs. Yeah, I love that. I

 

Emily Merrell  29:30

think that’s such an incredible gift. Well, Kara before we before I release you, I’ve got six fast questions for you. I know you’ve got four kids out of the park eating ice cream right now so I’ll make them fast and I’ll make them quick. But my first question for you is Ellison unknown fun fact about Cara.

 

Kara Kaufman  29:52

Ooh and unknown fact about fun fact about Cara. Okay, well, I’m actually going to go with like music care. So an unknown fact my that one of my songs for my first album was in was in the movie. But it’s been a movie called stash house. stash house. Oh, I

 

Emily Merrell  30:08

love that we’ve got a famous movie movie songwriter

 

30:13

who? I’m

 

Emily Merrell  30:15

gonna change this question, but who would be a dream person to be to collaborate with? Who you’d want to collaborate with?

 

Kara Kaufman  30:20

Oh, my goodness. Um, Tori Amos. She is. Again, my older cousin Kimmy, who introduced me to Kate Bush also introduced me to Tori Amos. And I mean, sorry, Amos was like instrumental and so inspiring. And all of the things that got me into playing piano when I was in my 20s, so if I could collaborate with her, that would be incredible. Oh, okay. Hey,

 

Emily Merrell  30:46

Tori. If you’re listening, give her a call.

 

Kara Kaufman  30:49

Why?

 

Emily Merrell  30:50

What adult show? Are you watching?

 

Kara Kaufman  30:54

Hmm. Okay, so I’m kind of really waiting right now. For bridgerton and Emily and Paris to come out. I don’t have anything else going right now.

 

Emily Merrell  31:07

Those are good ones we soon soon as the answer. What books? Have you listened or read recently? Yeah, I’m

 

Kara Kaufman  31:17

just just finishing up. I’m hoping to finish it before Halloween. I’m just finishing off the secret society of witches. It’s just this adorable little romance. wintry Halloween romance. It’s so cute. It’s really really cute. And then also, I have a book club that I’m in every month. So then I’ll jump into my book club book too. So I love it.

 

Emily Merrell  31:39

What is your favorite and or most used emoji?

 

Kara Kaufman  31:46

Yeah, I have to say, a little face with like the sweat Mark coming down the top like constantly.

 

Emily Merrell  31:55

Every single day. I feel you on that one. And then I’m tending question is Who inspired you to do the thing you wanted to do with your life?

 

Kara Kaufman  32:08

My my parents 100% My parents. They backed me the whole way. And it’s it’s awesome. 100% I would like a

 

Emily Merrell  32:17

family album released sooner than later. So Kara, thank you so much for sharing everything with us today through your story, or your journey for the advice to the young younger folk and the people who are in it right now to keep going. Thank you. Thank you. Thank

 

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you. Absolutely. And thank you so much for having me. This was very fun.

 

Emily Merrell  32:42

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